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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2009, 05:36:45 PM »
A large part of the homeless in Britain are actually ex-military.  That isn't a new thing it has been quite common for returning soldiers not to be able to integrate back into society. 

I live two streets up from a large halfway house that is full of people that are totally f*cked from drugs, drink and the horrors of war.  I kind of sympathise with their situation, but they do cause a lot of trouble locally and because of that I have to be quite tough with them and not encourage them to ask me for money.  They congregate every day on Clapham Common with bottles of cider and cheap beer, and they sit there all day effing and blinding and reciting their individual plights, and I have to in all honesty say, I wouldn't employ any of them sad as that sounds.  I'll take a snap next time I see them and add it to Clapham common garden section.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2009, 02:29:29 PM »
You know, I find it pathetic for someone to sit around and complain about thier plights and  how bad thier lives are.
Life is hard, you got to make the best of every situation. If I sat around and worried about all my problems ( and trust me, I have plenty of demons) id never get anything done.
I allways tried to believe that if you dont like your situation, change it .
Life is an adventure,,live it.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2009, 03:41:06 PM »
Quote from: Robin-Graves on June 07, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
You know, I find it pathetic for someone to sit around and complain about thier plights and  how bad thier lives are.
Life is hard, you got to make the best of every situation. If I sat around and worried about all my problems ( and trust me, I have plenty of demons) id never get anything done.
I allways tried to believe that if you dont like your situation, change it .
Life is an adventure,,live it.

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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2009, 03:42:35 PM »
Pssstttt.....Robin, I think cz agrees with you. ;)
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2009, 03:45:59 PM »
Just a little!   ;) ;)
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2009, 04:05:42 PM »
Quote from: Robin-Graves on June 07, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
You know, I find it pathetic for someone to sit around and complain about thier plights and  how bad thier lives are.
Life is hard, you got to make the best of every situation. If I sat around and worried about all my problems ( and trust me, I have plenty of demons) id never get anything done.
I allways tried to believe that if you dont like your situation, change it .
Life is an adventure,,live it.

I don't think it is quite as simple as that.  I was reading something once about a study of some homeless women in Los Angeles, and about how a large percentage of them show mental illnesses related to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).  If that is true to any degree, I can't see how those people could possibly change their situation?  

I personally agree with the sentiment, but I can only really apply it to myself as I will never lay down in the face of adversity - in fact I actually quite enjoy it.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2009, 04:10:11 PM »
Quote from: smokester on June 07, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
I don't think it is quite as simple as that.  I was reading something once about a study of some homeless women in Los Angeles, and about how a large percentage of them show mental illnesses related to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).  If that is true to any degree, I can't see how those people could possibly change their situation? 

Seek treatment and use it. All can be government funded. Up and running again repay the favor to others by working and paying taxes.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2009, 05:47:54 PM »
Quote from: ohcheap1 on June 07, 2009, 04:10:11 PM
Seek treatment and use it. All can be government funded. Up and running again repay the favor to others by working and paying taxes.

As far as I know, mental illness has no guaranteed cure and rational thinking by people with mental illnesses is quite rare.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2009, 06:37:33 PM »
No, but if you cant be helped medicinally, institutionalization is recommended.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2009, 11:40:34 PM »
Quote from: ohcheap1 on June 07, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Pssstttt.....Robin, I think cz agrees with you. ;)

I do have my moments, believe it or not.

Quote from: smokester on June 07, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
I don't think it is quite as simple as that.  I was reading something once about a study of some homeless women in Los Angeles, and about how a large percentage of them show mental illnesses related to post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).  If that is true to any degree, I can't see how those people could possibly change their situation? 

I personally agree with the sentiment, but I can only really apply it to myself as I will never lay down in the face of adversity - in fact I actually quite enjoy it.

I hate these people that sit around and complain that they cant get anything done and how they are addicted to something and that stops them.
I for one am, and will allways be a cocain addict. No, I dont use anymore ( Been clean since 1991) but I beat the addiction, and if I can, anyone can.
Ive been homeless, been broke, and been pretty much suicidal. I have been so low, that I actualy had the barell of a gun in my mouth with my finger on the trigger. I stopped myself when I realized that if I did go through with it, the bastards win.
If I can pull myself up from being broke, homeless and about to commit suicide, anyone with half a mind can make thier situation better.
Since then Ive been pretty succesfull at almost every business venture ive been involved in.
Being broke isnt a handicap, and being an addict isnt a desiese, its just another hurdle you have to get over to get to your goals in life.
Without adversity we dont grow.
And believe me, Ive seen adversity in my life. What  doesnt kill you makes you stronger.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2009, 02:27:18 AM »
Quote from: Robin-Graves on June 07, 2009, 11:40:34 PM
I do have my moments, believe it or not.

I hate these people that sit around and complain that they cant get anything done and how they are addicted to something and that stops them.
I for one am, and will allways be a cocain addict. No, I dont use anymore ( Been clean since 1991) but I beat the addiction, and if I can, anyone can.
Ive been homeless, been broke, and been pretty much suicidal. I have been so low, that I actualy had the barell of a gun in my mouth with my finger on the trigger. I stopped myself when I realized that if I did go through with it, the bastards win.
If I can pull myself up from being broke, homeless and about to commit suicide, anyone with half a mind can make thier situation better.
Since then Ive been pretty succesfull at almost every business venture ive been involved in.
Being broke isnt a handicap, and being an addict isnt a desiese, its just another hurdle you have to get over to get to your goals in life.
Without adversity we dont grow.
And believe me, Ive seen adversity in my life. What  doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

I did say that I agreed with the sentiment, but I also said I can only speak for myself.  I have had a few friends in my life that have commited suicide because they just couldn't cope, and I can only presume that whatever their woes, they felt they had to surrender to them.  

In my experience I've found we all have differences in attitude and personal beliefs, but I for one try not to judge others as it is only my house that I am obliged to keep in order.  I appreciate that is exactly what you have done here Robin and given example and inspiration to those more desperate than yourself - that is just about all we can do to help members of society, as like you have suggested, in the end they have to help themselves.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2009, 02:43:50 PM »
Quote from: cz85b on June 07, 2009, 03:41:06 PM

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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2009, 02:49:35 PM »
Quote from: Robin-Graves on June 07, 2009, 11:40:34 PM
I do have my moments, believe it or not.

I hate these people that sit around and complain that they cant get anything done and how they are addicted to something and that stops them.
I for one am, and will allways be a cocain addict. No, I dont use anymore ( Been clean since 1991) but I beat the addiction, and if I can, anyone can.
Ive been homeless, been broke, and been pretty much suicidal. I have been so low, that I actualy had the barell of a gun in my mouth with my finger on the trigger. I stopped myself when I realized that if I did go through with it, the bastards win.
If I can pull myself up from being broke, homeless and about to commit suicide, anyone with half a mind can make thier situation better.
Since then Ive been pretty succesfull at almost every business venture ive been involved in.
Being broke isnt a handicap, and being an addict isnt a desiese, its just another hurdle you have to get over to get to your goals in life.
Without adversity we dont grow.
And believe me, Ive seen adversity in my life. What  doesnt kill you makes you stronger.

On this note:

         Invictus
 
OUT of the night that covers me,   
  Black as the Pit from pole to pole,   
I thank whatever gods may be   
  For my unconquerable soul.   
 
In the fell clutch of circumstance            5
  I have not winced nor cried aloud.   
Under the bludgeonings of chance   
  My head is bloody, but unbowed.   
 
Beyond this place of wrath and tears   
  Looms but the Horror of the shade,     10
And yet the menace of the years   
  Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.   
 
It matters not how strait the gate,   
  How charged with punishments the scroll,   
I am the master of my fate:     15
  I am the captain of my soul.
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2009, 09:20:15 PM »
Quote from: subvinorosa on June 08, 2009, 02:49:35 PM
On this note:

         Invictus
 
OUT of the night that covers me,   
  Black as the Pit from pole to pole,   
I thank whatever gods may be   
  For my unconquerable soul.   
  
In the fell clutch of circumstance            5
  I have not winced nor cried aloud.   
Under the bludgeonings of chance   
  My head is bloody, but unbowed.   
  
Beyond this place of wrath and tears   
  Looms but the Horror of the shade,     10
And yet the menace of the years   
  Finds, and shall find, me unafraid.   
  
It matters not how strait the gate,   
  How charged with punishments the scroll,   
I am the master of my fate:     15
  I am the captain of my soul.

To further elaborate:

Ding-a-ling-ling-ling-ling-ling-ling-ling!

Boo-ba-doo-ba-doop!
Boo-ba-doo-ba-doop!

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring
Banana phone
Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring
Banana phone
I've got this feeling, so appealing,
for us to get together and sing. Sing!

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring banana phone
Ding dong ding dong ding dong ding donana phone
It grows in bunches, I've got my hunches,
It's the best! Beats the rest!
Cellular, modular, interactivodular!

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring banana phone
Boop-boo-ba-doo-ba-doop!
Ping pong ping pong ping pong ping panana phone
It's no baloney, it ain't a p(h)ony
My cellular bananular phone!

Don't need quarters, don't need dimes,
to call a friend of mine!
Don't need computer or TV,
to have a real good time!
I'll call for pizza. I'll call my cat.
I'll call the white house, have a chat!
I'll place a call around the world, operator get me Beijing-jing-jing-jing!

(Soprano Sax Solo)
Yeah!

Play that thing!
(Piano Solo)

Whooo Hooo!

Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring
Banana phone
Boop-boo-ba-doo-ba-doop
Ying yang ying yang ying yang ying yonana phone
It's a real live mama and papa phone,
a brother and sister and a dogaphone,
a grandpa phone and a grammophone too! Oh yeah!
My cellular, bananular phone!

Banana phone, ring ring ring!
(It's a phone with a peel!)
Banana phone, ring ring ring!
(Now you can have your phone and eat it too!)
Banana phone, ring ring ring!
(This song drives me bananas!)
Banana phone, ring ring ring!

Boo-ba-doo-ba-doop-doop-doop!
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Re: Off/On ramp beggars....
« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2009, 12:32:35 AM »
Back on topic or feel my...wraith.
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