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So I keep figthing this creationist
« on: January 27, 2009, 07:39:00 PM »
I'm still between Atheist and Agnostic. I got no problem with God (the good one, not the richard that some people prefer to believe in), but simple stupidity just enrages me. If you decide to use the Bible as a guide, fine, but holding it as truth is retarded. Saying scientist highjack science for evil using evolution is retarded.

Especially when the excuse is this

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An elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included "SEEMINGLY" contradictions in His Word to snare the proud. He has hidden things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes (Luke 10:21) purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27). If an ungodly man refuses to humble himself and repent of his sin and instead desires to build a case against the Bible, God gives him enough material to build his own gallows.

Uh huh. I just hate when people can't admit they maybe wrong.

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 07:55:49 PM »
There are so many people out there who use The Bible as a weapon. They interpret its passages in their own way.
So, at the end, with all these mixing and lying, we get a version which, I bet, is entirely different than the original words.
And then you get people fighting over it like they had nothing else to do. Like they had no families to feed.
It is just stupid and senseless. And then, I do not go against religion, since I am kinda religious myself (well, I do not go to church at Sundays, but I still believe in God), just against stupid believes that got into the religion.
And it is not only in Christianity, but in almost any religion out there, that this had occurred.

And then I cannot believe why people always associate science with going against religion.
What I mean is, that if God had created the world, or at least had planned it, then he must have known of all the scientific laws out there. So, doesn't this make him a scientist?

And let's not forget that one of the founders of modern physics, Isaac Newton, was also religious person.

In brief, I just wanted to say that I hate deeply religious people who go against science and scientists who are against religion. If, only once, we would cooperate together, then world may be a better place to live.

But this is just dreaming in technicolor  since world is absurd and senseless. And so absurdity will go on ... until death tears us apart.


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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 08:07:33 PM »
I don't religion per ce. I hate how is is used and misinterpreted.
Oh I sadly erased like 10 mails from that guy, but after he condemned a christian friend of mine to hell for no believing enough and that's he reason for her dying of cancer, I lost my poo.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=HzmbnxtnMB4&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DHzmbnxtnMB4

Check the last pages of comments for bornagain001, I'm natzo89. Yeah my comments are not the best, but after 10 minutes you know you can't talk to this fool....yet I have been in this poo for 4 days.

I comment that I would like to help people creating electronic prosthetic limbs. And he says God don't care about that, only that you thank Jesus for dying. But then he says God judge people...say... the aztecs for their good deeds, yet not us... And he say God is benevolent, but then that God only care about holiness, not your happiness.

And don't get me started with the "TRUTH".
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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 08:34:24 PM »
Either he is a no-life just messing with you, either he is someone really crazy.
Religion, or no-religion, there will always be nutcases out there.  ;)

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 08:49:32 PM »
I never meet someone so close minded in my life. I blocked him, even though I wanted his answer to a few of my questions, of course of every 10 I make he only answers 3, and poorly.


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The SUN RISES in the EAST and SETS in the WEST. This saying indicates the sun moves and the earth is stationary. People say it all the time even though we know the difference. You are trying desperately to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yet the earth axis is inclined. The sun don't rise in the same spot in the horizon everyday. That why in Manhattan only once a year you can see it set in one of the streets. And the our knowledge of the space is so limited to claim we are in the same spot. You are trying to to make true out of a myth.

That is the problem with you Religious people you give so vague and simple minded answers that can be molded into anything.

"How do I get there?" Go west..."but exactly?" GO WEST!

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We will see, after all I have no proof that that judgment will even happen other than, again, the treats from crazy uncivilized primitives

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"Unfortunately...it didn't. Those who arrived as skeptics, left as skeptics. You are NO DIFFERENT than the skeptic of 2000 years ago."

You are no different from the ignorants from 2000 years ago. Jesus probably didn't care about the lepers that came later to left a cure for them.

Maybe when you grow up and gain rel knowledge we will talk again.




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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 11:46:31 PM »
Religion is an organized fear of the dark.

Those who think they've already got it all figured out because it says so in the Bible are generally irrational based on this fear. I find these people will be deliberately obtuse than admit I might have a point.

This guy seems, like others of his ilk, that he's more trying to convince himself of his own beliefs. My god is bigger than your god...  ::)

I try to not get i nto with these people, but sometimes I do something stupid and draw them to me.

For instance, I was in a forum where someone jokingly said: "I'll give anyone $200.00 if they can prove Jesus wasn't real."

I replied with a very simple post saying that the reason Jesus is fictional is because he came back from the dead, and I added "And that poo only happens in comic books."

His reply was to create a straw man, insinuating that I'd suggested that comic books proved that Jesus wasn't real.

When I finally got him somewhat straight on what I was saying he offered that maybe there was a physical Jesus, he just never came back from the dead. 'Then He is not the Jesus described in the Bible, and some might even consider your idea heresy.'

After trying to get him to understand that the idea of the god is the god, he settled instead on trying to prove the physical existence of Christ, which is an argument that is really beside the point frankly. It shouldn't matter if he physically existed or not...  ::)

He eventually went apeshit and threatened to kick my ass both in PMs and in the forum itself when I told him that Jesus was both fictional and did good things.

So I know where you're coming from Santafer, when you meet a true believer who is beside themselves because you still have questions.  :)

By the by, have you ever had to deal with one of these people in person?

Because that, my friend, is a whole 'nother animal....  :D

Good post, but always keep in mind that adage about arguing on the Internets and the Special Olympics...  ;)

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 12:47:06 AM »
Yeah I already blocked him, should have done it before, cause I want to rip his spine through his eyes.

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 03:29:39 AM »
Arguing about religion is akin to banging your head against a brick wall.  The only beneficial thing about them both is that if feels good when you stop.
Don't put off until tomorrow, what you can put off until the day after.

There is an exception to every rule, apart from this one.

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 05:24:22 AM »
Arguing about religion is akin to banging your head against a brick wall.  The only beneficial thing about them both is that if feels good when you stop.

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Oh, you, sinner  :D :D :D

Where is Reverend AJ to help us in these situations?

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 07:15:16 AM »
I have a hard and fast rule (that I often break) and that is "There are two things you never discuss online...Religion and Politics".  You stick to that rule, no matter what, and you'll avoid 99.94% of the headaches.
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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 02:38:44 PM »
When arguing with creationists you should never take the direct route (although I have been guilty of this in the past and in some cases just for fun). It must be done indirectly otherwise you just get a mental wall/barrier errected and so becomes impossible. It must be initially contrived to make them think in your way without their knowledge (indirection) and then deliver the payload, without it seeming to be a direct attack and then let them stew it over.
What was he a regular Christian or a YEC?

Strangely enough we don't get Mormons knocking on our door anymore so I must be getting something right although we are still getting Jehovahs witnesses  ??? and they still want to keep talking about scriptures.


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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2009, 03:05:04 PM »
Unfortunately I live in bible basher central :-\ Now when I open the door I usually just put them on to the double-glazing salesman that's on the phone.

There was I time when I told the Jehovahs I was a Catholic, they'd give up the ghost immediately.
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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 03:16:34 PM »
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An elementary rule of Scripture is that God has deliberately included "SEEMINGLY" contradictions in His Word to snare the proud. He has hidden things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes (Luke 10:21) purposely choosing foolish things to confound the wise (1 Corinthians 1:27).

Can you at least get this guy to admit that he worships an bottom?

Size, it doesn't matter to me so long as I get it...Gotta go now.

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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 03:26:17 PM »
Well yeah, that would get rid of them temporaily but it depends on one's objectives. If you need to de-program, say a loved one, from their holy clutches then one has to be careful or else one gets labelled as the demon spawn.

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Can you at least get this guy to admit that he worships an bottom?
This sounds like the direct attack method. It does not work.
The whole concept of "worship" is abhorrent to me.


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Re: So I keep figthing this creationist
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 03:30:58 PM »
This sounds like the direct attack method. It does not work.

I bet it would work to make him angrier.  I agree with you.  I was just joshing around :)
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