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Surgery in the olden days
« on: September 20, 2009, 12:36:35 PM »
Here they have some videos of surgery in the 1930s.  It's in spoilers because it's not for family viewing, i.e.
DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON'T LIKE WATCHING BITS OF BRAIN AND OTHER INSIDES BEING MESSED AROUND WITH!  ER and CASUALTY DO NOT COUNT!
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Is modern surgery a lot like this?  Humans are fairly durable, I know this from the jump I took off a wall one metre high, but those videos looks rough!

I wanted to post a video of McCoy from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home referring to the dark ages after hearing about the plan to open Chekov up, but Youtube let me down.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2009, 07:53:43 AM »
i suppose its not much different today except the drills electric.
have been to oxfords medical museum and the tools there are scary
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 01:32:30 PM »
Haven't seen modern surgery being done live yet so can't say.

Will watch vids later during the day.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2009, 04:16:57 PM »
Quote from: chekovsulu on September 20, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
Here they have some videos of surgery in the 1930s.  It's in spoilers because it's not for family viewing, i.e.
DON'T CLICK IF YOU DON'T LIKE WATCHING BITS OF BRAIN AND OTHER INSIDES BEING MESSED AROUND WITH!  ER and CASUALTY DO NOT COUNT!
Spoiler (hover to show)

Is modern surgery a lot like this?  Humans are fairly durable, I know this from the jump I took off a wall one metre high, but those videos looks rough!

I wanted to post a video of McCoy from Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home referring to the dark ages after hearing about the plan to open Chekov up, but Youtube let me down.
Modern surgery is also very brutal sometimes,of course except electric tools made it easier and quicker.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2009, 11:30:41 AM »
I miss the leeches... sigh.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2009, 11:57:12 AM »
We're lucky anesthetics have progressed. Many surgeries remain the same butchery.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2009, 03:53:11 PM »
Before modern anesthetics they used strong alcohol,opium,heroin,etc. to pain killer and general anesthesia.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2009, 04:01:15 PM »
Quote from: laama on September 23, 2009, 03:53:11 PM
Before modern anesthetics they used strong alcohol,opium,heroin,etc. to pain killer and general anesthesia.

And a lot of people died in the process.  :(
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 04:05:46 PM »
Recently, the news has been claiming alcohol can help head injuries from getting worse.  Who knows, maybe Methiah will get his leeches back :o

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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 04:13:23 PM »
Quote from: subvinorosa on September 22, 2009, 01:32:30 PM
Haven't seen modern surgery being done live yet so can't say.

If you really don't need to go watch modern surgery,stay away.

Quote from: xtopave on September 23, 2009, 04:01:15 PM
And a lot of people died in the process.  :(
Many of them died because doctors doesn't know well human anatomy and hygiene was almost strange thing.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 04:20:47 PM »
Quote from: laama on September 23, 2009, 04:13:23 PM
... hygiene was almost strange thing.

I agree this was a key factor.

And let's not forget there weren't any antibiotics.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 12:17:11 AM »
there wasnt alot of anything.
alot of it was trial and error.
but look where we are today
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 12:39:05 AM »
That video was awesome. I love stuff like that, so I hope to go to med school one day.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 04:37:55 AM »
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Recently, the news has been claiming alcohol can help head injuries from getting worse.  Who knows, maybe Methiah will get his leeches back
I doubt my dreams would come true.
I've not heard this previously about head injuries and alcohol, would this be a common factor with other forms of solvent abuse? e.g. toluene.
Up until now my understanding of significant beneficial effects from alcohol was limited to that it's effective against methanol poisoning.
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Re: Surgery in the olden days
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 11:29:05 AM »
The article says "Experts believe the right dose of alcohol stops the cascade of swelling, inflammation and further destruction of brain cells, known as secondary brain injury."

This older article says:
Quote from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6190391.stm
"Often the problem that we face is that people who are intoxicated, but have only a minor head injury, can appear exactly the same as those who do have a severe injury that needs an urgent operation.

"The level of consciousness is one of the only measures of head injury severity that we have, and it is a challenge to compare the outcomes of those who have been drinking alcohol, and those who haven't.

"A patient who has been drinking may seem to have an equally severe injury to another patient because of the effects of alcohol, but make a better recovery."

I don't know if that's relevant, it just looks important.
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