Topic: bring them home

[Robin-Graves]

True Smokester,, just trying to make a point that they will never have peace in that region.

My opinion is that its all an illicit war and we ,, nor anyone else for that matter, needs to be there.
Im an American, and im still for the life of me trying to figure out why the hell we were in this war to begin with.
 Iraq didnt cause 911,, we ignored the problem to the point that the Taliban ( if they did do it) have pretty much dug in like a tick.
IF they did it,, then maybe we should have gone after them first. But Bush/Cheney went after a diferent target for personal gain instead.
Its a fiasco,, and we are going to have another Viet Nam on hour hands.
 Maybe if the politicians sent their own children to die, it would have been a different story.

[Skadi]

The stupidity started with the Bush/Cheney regime and continues with Obama .
He likes printing money that we cant back.

Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971. We can't exist on a fiat money system based on nothing to back it, and piling up reliance on credit killed us too. No matter who is president.. it wouldn't matter in some ways without something substantial like gold to back our money.

One thing this whole war reminds me of, is Russias involvememnt in Afghanistan back in the day.
We blasted them for doing what we are doing today.

Well.. even if it were totally different, it doesn't matter.. because after so many years the people in a country see the outsiders as occupiers. The original hows and whys get lost.

[goldshirt*9]

right so we all agree then .
get the troops out and send the politicians in 

my brother in law is about to be sent over again. he's been in every conflict for the last 23 years.
i worry for him.

my friend at works oldest son is across there now.
the story's he tells us are amazing scary.
he basically backs up the sas.
they have a very simple rule .no prisoners what / who so ever.( no matter what nationality they are  )

[Skadi]

my brother in law is about to be sent over again. he's been in every conflict for the last 23 years.
i worry for him.

>_<

that's unfathomable

[goldshirt*9]

   unfortunately he's very good at his job.

[laama]

  unfortunately he's very good at his job.

Professionals are under heavy pressure in Afganistan,so it's very risky business nowadays to go there.

[Robin-Graves]

Too bad we cant send profesional politicians

[Geemonster]

Too bad we cant send profesiona lpoliticians

Lets give a gun to Gordon Brown,Blair and Bush,send em to the front.

[Robin-Graves]

Your forgot Darth Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld

[Skadi]

  unfortunately he's very good at his job.

It's also interesting because he's someone with an on the ground up close perspective that's earned the right to an opinion of what's doable, what's not doable, and what the overall vibe of the whole environment is.

[Robin-Graves]

What are you saying? That somene that knowns what theyre saying is in charge of something there and not a politician?

If people that knew what they were doing were involved, maybe we ( America) would have went in with an exit stratagy.
And maybe this would have been over with long ago.
Afghanistan had a problem when we first went of telling us where we gould look and not look. Unfortunately, where they didnt want us to look was where Taliban troops were.
 We ( the west) are fighting this thing by using rules of the Geneva conveention, which was set in place for an organized army as an enemy. This is not an organized army as set forth by the rules in the Convention.
 As for cutting and running like many have suggested,,it cant be done, we have nowhere to run.
Due to the ineptitude of the ones in charge,, this is a hornets nest and HAS to be resolved for the safety of all.
 I hate the idea of a war,, too many inocent people get killed for a difference in ideology.
This is a religious war for them, and political for the west.
 If we dont win, or cut and run, politicians in the west will look bad ( Oh GOD forbid they look bad!).
I know in America, this thing is breaking us, Its costing 50 billion a year with no end in sight.
 
 The entire effect they wanted with 911 ( which I have my own opinions that are valid of what really went on) caused what they wanted to happen ,,it changed our ways of life and our out look on everything.

[goldshirt*9]

lets be fair ,Russia went in and they didnt fight with one hand tied  behind their back
they LOST .

no way can a western country can fight and win.
the tv shows all.

[laama]

lets be fair ,Russia went in and they didnt fight with one hand tied  behind their back
they LOST .

no way can a western country can fight and win.
the tv shows all.

Before Russians there was British army and they lost,and before them every army lost there sooner or later.

[smokester]

lets be fair ,Russia went in and they didnt fight with one hand tied  behind their back
they LOST .

no way can a western country can fight and win.
the tv shows all.

They lost because Bin Laden was and his mob were being trained by the Americans as freedom fighters.  The Russians had implored the US to help with an exit strategy but the US said there should be a complete and unconditional withdrawal by them otherwise they would continue to help the guerrillas - Russia had no choice.

The bullet in the foot for America was that the so called "freedom fighters" thought that they themselves had brought down the mighty Soviets and that it meant no power on earth was a match for them.  They then called themselves "Islamists" and decided to turn all the training the US had given them (mostly against counter-occupation which is what they are evidently so good at these days) and turn it against the US itself, it is argued that the plot to bring down the World Trade center was born shortly after all of this.

[Robin-Graves]

Like I said, we created a monster, we have to deal with it.