Topic: Brexit

[goldshirt*9]

Brexit is a joke and going on far too long.

[smokester]

It's all right for the EU to threaten to expel Greece when the situation with their economy doesn't suit, but heavens forbid if a nation wants to leave of their own accord.

When they've boiled those bunnies they'll stick them on spikes at every exit point. Just to remind the others.

[smokester]

Brexit would probably be fine if it weren't handled by politicians. So would have Remain been.

Personally I can't think of a single benefit of being in the EU, and no politician has ever attempted to outline either the benefits or the drawbacks, all they have ever done is use meaningless soundbites containing massive exaggerations and incorrect generalisations. This is compounded by the press attempting to twist and distort everything said by every politician, and the result is, to quote 8ully, a shitstorm.

The biggest plus for me of Brexit is that there are fewer layers of politicians and bureaucrats, but even that likely falls into the "anything that makes no difference is actually no different" camp.

Inflation would have gone up either way,
Unions would have got more bolshie either way,
London will continue to devour most of the country's resources either way,
Scotland will still complain either way,
Unemployment would have gone up either way,
The pound would have gone down either way,
etc., etc., etc.

Quite right.

I don't suppose anyone would have foreseen such bother and fuss it would take to leave the EU, when the EU was first imagined.  If they'd said this would be the result of someone not renewing their membership I doubt they'd have got the thing off the ground in the first place.

I fully understand the principle of sour grapes as, believe it or not, I was once a 5 year old. I really thought that some people in this process would have acted with more maturity - and that includes Obama.

[goldshirt*9]

"Nicola Sturgeon warns PM she is not bluffing on indyref2"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38543547

Can she legally demand another vote and does parliament have to take notice.

[8ullfrog]

This may be from editorial shenanigans, but the article reads to me like Sturgeon does not want to accept reality, even when she's already been told what those realities are, first in that the UK is leaving the EU, and second that a failed referendum has already been held.

She spoke of the meeting with May, where hard lines were drawn in the sand, and wanting to pretend that they aren't there, or that she just doesn't like what she's heard.

The ball she wants to take home simply isn't hers to take.

[smokester]

What I find quite amusing is that if there was some kind of Scoxit from the U.K, wouldn't Scotland be left with the decision of a hard or soft version of their departure.

Talk about creating even more circles to run around.

[8ullfrog]

On top of that, it's presumptive to think they would just roll into the EU.

[goldshirt*9]

On top of that, it's presumptive to think they would just roll into the EU.

Believe the EU has told Her that if we leave then Scotland must go

[smokester]

Believe the EU has told Her that if we leave then Scotland must go

That's because they are still part of the U.K. If they were to break away then they might be able to automatically keep their membership or just apply to join.  Both options, as 8ully pointed out, are not a given.

[smokester]

This whole independence thing is fraught with idiocy. Shetland, Orkney and the Outer Hebrides have said that they would want to declare independence from Scotland if Scotland voted to become independent from the rest of the UK. Where does this madness end? No one is truly independent, so even though nations are largely defined by arbitrary lines drawn on maps there is nothing to replace them with other than other arbitrary lines in different places on the same maps.

I wonder if Shetland, Orkney and the Outer Hebrides would want a hard or soft exit from Scotland? 

[smokester]

I have no idea what the difference is. Out is out.

It's to do with kilts and The Highland games.

[goldshirt*9]

It's to do with kilts and The Highland games.

And a caber involved I imagine.

Just wish they would get on with it all. Divorces usually take less time than this

[goldshirt*9]

News Flash. Teresa has signed the letter
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39422353

[8ullfrog]

Will the new referendum be called ScottShit?

[goldshirt*9]

Will the new referendum be called ScottShit?